Tuesday, October 31, 2006

The Worst Champs in the last 30 years

When the Cardinals won it all Friday night with their 83-78 record, I immediately wondered if they were in fact the most mediocre champion ever. I decided to take a tour through the championship histories of the major sports and have compiled a top 10 list of the worst champions in the last 30 years, as it seemed a pretty modern sample. Of course, for some reason, I don’t think guys like David Eckstein or Jerome Bettis on fairly average championship teams really care how they won, but that they won. This list isn’t meant to denigrate any of these teams of course; they’re all champions, and that’s something I haven’t been able to say since 5th grade pee-wee football. Legendary teams or dynasties, like the ’72 Dolphins or 1960s Celtics, however, these teams ain’t. Enjoy and comment:

10. 1977 Portland Trail Blazers. This team, led by Big Red himself, Bill Walton, and Dr. Jack Ramsay as coach represented the Blazers 1st trip to the playoffs and only championship. The Blazers had a record of 49-33, good enough for 2nd in the division, and had an even better 1977-78 season, but were a dynasty by no stretch of the imagination, not reaching the Western Conference Finals again until 1989-90. In fact, they didn’t even win a playoff series again until 1983. Walton and Ramsay represent the only hall of famers on this team.

1978 New York Yankees. The 100-63 record is surely nothing to sneeze at, and this team featured vast array of Hall of Famers, but the reason for inclusion here is that if the Red Sox had not collapsed in an epic way, this victory never would’ve happened. Simple as that. Mike Torrez and a steady wind are what really got the Yankees title # 22.

8. 1984 BYU football. Robbie Bosco led the Stormin’ Mormons to a 13-0 season, and he and coach Lavell Edwards won the school’s only national title by defeating Michigan (6-5 record) by a touchdown, 24-17. BYU, the WAC champ, was the only undefeated team going into that bowl season, and as WAC champ, was tied into the Holiday Bowl, which, at the time, was like Boise St. winning the title after winning the MPC Computer Bowl over some average ACC team like Virginia. Long story short, by running through a crap conference, BYU won it all.

7. 1997 Florida Marlins. This was obviously a star-studded team. But it somehow only won 92 games to get the wild card behind one of those Braves teams that soon enough folded in the playoffs (to the Marlins). But, this team is on the list more so because it was the ultimate one hit wonder, as the entire core of it was gone by 1999 and had no success in the years from inclusion in baseball 1993 through 1996 (80-82 record).

6. 1988 Kansas basketball. Danny Manning fans of the world are up in arms because of this, I know. But, this was a 6 seed that really frankly barely won. Some of the more egregious stats surrounding this team: beat 14th seeded Murray St. in the 2nd round by 3 points, never faced a seed higher than 4th until the final 4, won the title over conference foe Oklahoma in the championship…in Kansas City, team came in unranked, and due to violations, Jayhawks weren’t allowed in the 1989 tournament. This wasn’t exactly a “One Shining Moment” team.

5. 2000 New York Yankees. I guess when you win 26 championships, some of your teams are better than others. In this case, the Yankees most recent championship team was an 87-75 group that lost 15 of its last 18 before rallying to win its third straight championship and fourth in five years. Luckily, this fairly mediocre season came in a year when the AL East was down, and that consecutive division title streak the Yanks have going would’ve been halved.

4. 1990 Colorado football. Arguably the most controversial of all pre-BCS shenanigans, this 11-1-1 team split with Georgia Tech, who finished the year 11-0-1. As if that wasn’t bad enough, one of those 11 wins was the infamous “five down game” where against Missouri the refs awarded the Buffs a fifth down at the goal line accidentally and Colorado capitalized and won. The Buffaloes refused to give up the game despite knowing they’d obviously won on human error.

3. 2006 Pittsburgh Steelers. This may be a bit of a projection, but when you lose to a team as bad as the Raiders the next season, well, it kind of goes to show maybe you just weren’t all that great to begin with. Add in the facts that along their run last year Carson Palmer got injured in his first pass, Nick Harper inexplicably cut towards the middle of the field, and the refs may have played a role against the Seahawks, and this 11-5 #6 seed seems to be the worst Super Bowl champ of all time. Any one of those things not happening and perhaps Coach Cowher is still in search of that 1st title.

2. 1985 Villanova Wildcats. This list isn’t meant to diminish Cinderella runs, much as it seems that way. But, anyway you slice it, ‘Nova was one of the worst champions ever. I mean, Ed Pinckney led the team, after all. It also won its first three games by a TOTAL of 9 points before hanging a 12-point victory over UNC in the elite 8, and a 7-point victory over Memphis St. in the Final 4. Then, despite shooting 78% from the field against conference foe Georgetown in the final, the Wildcats still only won by two points against a Hoya team that had already beat them twice that season. Plus I think I heard half the team was on coke or something.

And now, the worst champion of all time…your 2006 St. Louis Cardinals!!! First of all, thank you to the Wildcats, you have been a great champion for the last 21 years, but your reign of mediocre championship dominance is now over. When you finish a season of 162 games (or 161 in this case) a mere five games over .500, you’re likely not even getting to the playoffs. This season, teams with better records than the cards to not make the playoffs were: Toronto, Boston, the Chi Sox, Angels, and Phillies. Yet, because of how bad the NL Central was, the Cards slid into the playoffs despite three runs of losing more than five games in a row down the stretch. Like the Steelers a few months before them, the Cards fit the mold of a consistent winner that in the season it looks like they’re down, they catch fire in the postseason, and, when combined with experience, win it all. But really, they still kinda aren’t THAT great. Congrats to them though.

61 comments:

Kotitefan said...

Mr. Super Genius,

The Steelers were headed for at least 12-4 before Roethlisberger went down and Tommy Maddox displayed his total loss of football skills last year. But I guess injuries don't account for anything in your rankings. Much like the injuries that affected the Steelers in '06- Roethlisberger's trifecta of accidents, Hines Ward's hamstring, Troy Polamalu playing in obvious pain for the first month. It's easier to chalk them up as a crap team and move on to your next target.

Great argument about the Cardinals, too. I guess losing Edmonds for 52 games, Rolen for 20, and Pujols for 19 really wouldn't affect a team's win-loss record, either. Nor would losing your closer or Mark Mulder. Great post.

Christmas Ape said...

The Steelers were also 11-5 last year, not 10-6.

Phony Gwynn said...

What about the '87 Twins? That team blew.

Anonymous said...

Funny you group THIS YEAR'S Steelers with last year's title and not 2004, when they went 15-1. Pittsburgh's Super Bowl win culminated a 2-year stretch when they went 31-7, including postseason. Yeah, they suck.

Also, Jeter's catch and flip happened in 2001, not 2000, you moron. Just awful.

Bernie said...

The Jeter flip was in game 3 of the 2001 ALDS, the year NY lost to Arizona in the Series...and you're right, there's no way Pittsburgh beats Cincinnati last January if Palmer isn't knocked out of the game.

sweet c said...

the jeter flip happened in the 2001 playoffs

Zachary Geballe said...

To be fair, losing Mark Mulder was probably a good thing, not a bad thing for the Cards (maybe losing Izzy too).

And honestly, this Cardinals team was pretty goddamn bad, and had it not been for two weeks of fantastic luck (bloop hits, Tigers falling down, etc.) they'd have been out in the NLCS.

Hallux Valgus said...

1988 Los Angeles Dodgers. How many pitchers are quaking at the idea of facing a lineup of John Shelby, Alfredo Griffin, Jeff Hamilton, Franklin Stubbs, Mike Marshall, Mike Sciossia, Steve Sax, and Kirk Gibson? Gibson was the MVP and hit something like .289 with 23 home runs and 80 some RBI's. Worst. Lineup. Ever. (Go Dodgers!)

Rich Kotite Banged Your Mom said...

Fact edits made. Thanks for the catches.

That said, regardless of injuries ruining a team's potential for regular season victories, in the case of the Steelers (who I do root for w/a ton of family there), they did get extremely lucky in the playoffs. And, in the case of the Cards, not too many champs, regardless of injuries, endure three long losing streaks post-break and make the playoffs with a record of 83-79.

What, there's no pissed off fans of the 1977 Blazers out there? Come on now...

Anonymous said...

The Cards finished 83-78, or 5 games over .500 -- give us some credit!

And really, all this Cardinals bashing is getting old. They suffered a shit-ton of injuries throughout the season and played great when it mattered. Bloops hits and errors are part of the game and contribute to a fair amount of wins for every team throughout the year.

Anonymous said...

"Legendary teams or dynasties, like the ’72 Dolphins or 1960s Celtics, however, these teams ain’t."

None of these teams are either, I think that's the point, sorry Steelers fans.

But what about the 87 Twins?

Vandermint said...

"That said, regardless of injuries ruining a team's potential for regular season victories, in the case of the Steelers (who I do root for w/a ton of family there), they did get extremely lucky in the playoffs."

Like when Bettis inexplicably fumbled on the goalline? Or when the refs took away an obvious interception by Polamalu? Or when they blew out the Broncos in Denver after winning in Cincy and Indy? Come on. They stank it up against Seattle and still won by double-digits.

Garth said...

"Funny you group THIS YEAR'S Steelers with last year's title and not 2004, when they went 15-1."

That makes no sense. He shouldn't be encouraged to do a follow-up, but he should be encouraged to back up TWO years? Yes, totally logical.

Like it or not, the Pittsburgh Steelers barely deserved to make the playoffs, let alone win them. Just stealing the last spot in the post-season from the wild card clutches of a struggling Chiefs team and parlaying that into a Super Bowl doesn't make a team great.

the wolf said...

Hmmm...I question some of your logic here. Example: The star-studded '97 Marlins won "only" 92 games. And you put them on the list because they traded away the core of the team two years later. What does that have to do with anything?

Also, a team that finishes with a record of 100-63 doesn't belong on any list of mediocre teams, regardless of the "epic" collapse of their primary divisional opponent. Remember, a good part of the reason the Red Sox had such a collapse was that the Yanks spent most of the 2nd half of the season beating the snot out of them. By your logic, you should include the '69 Mets, because the Cubs collapsed that year. Never mind that they mostly collapsed because the Mets were beating the tar out of them.

Jay Emm said...

Yeah, lumping this year's Steelers in with last season's is kind of misleading.

Last year's team had much more in common, personnel-wise and beyond, with the 2004 15-1 team that just came up short than it does with the 2006 Shitty Steelers.

Also, doing the unprecedented 4 in a row on the road by an average of over 10 points would be tough to do against shitty teams, let alone the top 3 AFC and top NFC teams. It amazes me that the Steelers get no credit for this, but eveyone acts like the Red Sox getting themselves in an 0-3 hole in the 04 ALCS and coming back was the second coming of Christ.

Also, isn't this list kind of stupid to make because it's like punishing a team for winning a world effing championship. You know what's wrong with winning championships?? NOTHING! That's why a list like this is dumb.

I suspect this guy's a New Englander. He hates the Yankees, and discredits anyone who won the bowl besides the Patsies.

(By the way, if the Steelers are the worst SB Champ ever... the '01 Pats are a VERY close second, the events of two years later notwithstanding).

Jay Emm said...

Garth, it's not "stealing" when you win your last 4 games of the season and the Chiefs totally blow it at the end.

It's called the better team making the playoffs while the inferior team sits at home. And their performance in the 4 playoff games makes your assumption that the Chiefs deserved to be in the playoffs more seem kind of ridiculous.

And, yes it is kind of using statistics selectively to lump the 05 Steelers with the 06 Steelers instead of the superior 04 Steelers.

Anonymous said...

In closing, the team that wins when it matters the most CERTAINLY deserves the nice big trophy that comes at the end.

Bottom Line, end of story.

CU Guy said...

The 1990 CU team was in fact a pretty good team. Look at their roster and there is probably 25-30 NFLers on there. The 5th down game is the most overrated game ever. Does anyone think CU wouldve spiked the ball on 4th down if the markers and refs actually knew it was 4th down?

Anonymous said...

How about the 2001 patriots? They caught more huge breaks than the steelers (see: Tuck Rule) and were mediocre at best the next season. Why no mention of them? There is nothing mediocre about going on the road and beating the top 3 seeds in the AFC before beating the top seed in the NFC in the super bowl.
Besides that, pretty worthless post.

T dawg said...

some jerkwad commented that the stEAlers won the SB by double digits.

That was also the number of crappy penalties that were called on the Seahawks, 13-3. (2 stealers penalties coming on precedure in on the first snap of the game). So, yeah, they played all but :10 seconds of the game perfectly in light of the officials, and against the least penalized team in the league.

Amazing.

And if you looked at the stats across the board, the hawks owned that game, crappy calls excepted.

C'mon. the day your qb has a QB rating of 22, you get outgained and lose the battle at the line of scrimmage, you are gonna need the refs to give you any win they can, be it by 3 points or 20.

Stealers, you suck. 1000x's over. And then Starterwife bitched over at Deadspin about the officials during the Raiders game. THE FU**ING HUBRIS!!!!!!!!

Russia in '72, baby. That's what SB XL was.

your team was a crappy champion, because they got the championship out of crap circumstance.

Mel Ott said...

Several errors in this post.

It was the 2005 Steelers NOT the 2006 Steelers.

wasteofbreath said...

25 - 30 NFL players on the 1990 Colorado team??
You are off your rocker...seriously, put your money where your homer douchebag mouth is and name all of them...admit it - they accepted a title that they knew they didn't deserve, but I guess that is the mentality when you have never won anything that matters (by "you," I mean pre-1990 colorado, pro and college) And, yeah, I believe they probably would have spiked the ball on 4th down, being that they were (presumably) students at CU.

Anonymous said...

You are an idiot to think that the Cardinals are a mediocre champion. I really mean it, an idiot, just like you other "expert analysts". Please tell me how a team that has made it to the NLCS three years in a row is mediocre. Or a team that has made it to the World Series 2 out of 3 years is medicore. Not to mention when the Rams lost to the Patriots in 2002, but now they are God's gift to earth. So will you shut up when we continue to win?

To move on to the Cardinals, the 2006 World Series Champions. We were in first almost the whole season in a division that has 6 teams in it, not 4 and 5 like every other division. During the time we continued to be in first, we went on three losing streaks of 7+ games, which is not seen all the time. Isringhausen is a person that you can say is mediocre, he blew 10 games. Look what happened when Wainright became the closer, nothing! Pujols, Eckstein, Rolen, Mulder, Edmonds, etc all had injuries that lasted a rather long time. Oh, what happened in the playoffs when they were somewhat heathy? We were healthy and beat the best team by record in the NL, the NYM and not to mention won the whole thing. Basically, you are an idiot that just wants to write an article and think you know what you are talking about, but you don't! Go eat another chip and watch your soaps and the next day wake up and write an article about something you didn't even watch from the night before.

Go Cards!

St. Louis is #1 in two things:
a. St. Louis Cardinals
b. most dangerous city

Props to us and our city.

Gateway to the Best!

Anonymous said...

Dear t dawg,

You're a fucking idiot.

Love,
Everyone

Brian said...

Great post. Even better to see all these whiny bitches who can't handle some blogger they've never met arguing that their favorite team, while deserving of accolades for being a champion, isn't quite as good as some other champions. These pathetic commentators are making me laugh my ass off.

Steelers fans: Get a fucking life. Your team won a title, and you're going to whine and moan because there's a blogger who thinks that, while they're deserving champions, they might not be as good as, say, the 86 Bears? Stop putting your tampons in sideways, bitches.

Anonymous said...

The 2006 Cardinals sucked. They're undoubtedly the worst champion in the history of professional sports, and the only people who can't see that are the homer Cardinal fans who are too busy blowing David Eckstein ("He's white! He's not as tall as most player! He must be scrappy and awesome!") to actually watch a game and see how crappy their team is.

Anonymous said...

How on earth can this list omit the 1977-78 Washington Bullets? They were 44-38 during the regular season. Mitch Kupchak, of all people, was a key in the finals against Seattle. Their backcourt was Tommy Henderson and Kevin Grevey, two mediocre players, and both of their front-court stars (Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld) were past their primes. Their best player night in and night out was Bobby Freakin' Dandridge.

Anonymous said...

"To move on to the Cardinals, the 2006 World Series Champions. We were in first almost the whole season in a division that has 6 teams in it, not 4 and 5 like every other division. During the time we continued to be in first, we went on three losing streaks of 7+ games, which is not seen all the time."

Oh darn, he got us, the stats never lie. 'six teams'...worst. argument. ever.

this is what really hurts about the cardinals winning it all. their fans are too stupid to realize how bizarre the whole thing is.

Ma always said life's like a box a choclates

Anonymous said...

Not that it matters but:

NFL players on the 1990 Colorado Buffaloes (this is a partial list of about 22 - so, I think with a little more research you could find a few more - it all depends on what the definition of 'playing in the nfl' means. Colorado had 20 guys drafted between 1990-1994. . . and another 10 guys drafted in 1995


Eric Bienemy
Mike Pritchard
Charles E. Johnson
Alfred Williams
Kanavis McGee
Chad Brown
Dave Mcloughan
Jeff Campbell
Deion Figures
Tom Rouen
Greg Biekert
Ron Wolfork
Leonard Renfro
Jay Leuwenberg
mark Van der Poel
Joe Garten
Ariel Solomon
Joel Steed
Rico Smith
Garry Howe
Ronnie Bradford

Gavin said...

For what it's worth, the 2006 Cardinals had a losing record against the Chicago Cubs.

Think about that for a minute...

Anonymous said...

1998 Tennessee Vols
- I know luck is a part of every championship run, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a team have a string of luck like that one had. Arkansas had them beat and literally gave the game away, and how many other championship games can you think of where one of the teams had to start its THIRD string (former walk-on no less) quarterback?

Garth said...

"Also, doing the unprecedented 4 in a row on the road by an average of over 10 points would be tough to do against shitty teams, let alone the top 3 AFC and top NFC teams. It amazes me that the Steelers get no credit for this, but eveyone acts like the Red Sox getting themselves in an 0-3 hole in the 04 ALCS and coming back was the second coming of Christ."

Both the NFL and MLB playoffs require quite a bit of luck for any team to win. I forget what the actual number is but someone did a study in the MLB and found that the best team in the regular season only has like a 20-30% chance of winning the World Series. That's why the playoffs are exciting, but that is also why this list can be made. Flukes happen. Neither of those situations you mentioned make me impressed with either the Steelers or Pats.

"Also, isn't this list kind of stupid to make because it's like punishing a team for winning a world effing championship. You know what's wrong with winning championships?? NOTHING! That's why a list like this is dumb."

Winning a world championship is often luck. True, they've done plenty to get themselves there and they deserve the accolades, but a list like this is pretty interesting to some and puts this Cards WS victory in some historical context, so it's timely, too.

"Garth, it's not "stealing" when you win your last 4 games of the season and the Chiefs totally blow it at the end.

It's called the better team making the playoffs while the inferior team sits at home. And their performance in the 4 playoff games makes your assumption that the Chiefs deserved to be in the playoffs more seem kind of ridiculous."

As I've already mentioned, the Chiefs were struggling. I'm a Chiefs fan and saw them give up a 20+ point lead to the Eagles early on, lose critical games again and again. I agree they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs after their performance. But just looking at talent alone, the 2005 Chiefs were much better than the 2005 Steelers. Now the Chiefs didn't get it done and I can accept that, but you cannot pretend like the Steelers didn't just barely get in the playoffs. They wouldn't have if either the Chiefs or Chargers acted like themselves for a couple of games.

And, saying that four playoff games is an ample sample size in determining a team's greatness is even more ridiculous than my claim.

"And, yes it is kind of using statistics selectively to lump the 05 Steelers with the 06 Steelers instead of the superior 04 Steelers."

I don't see that. Maybe because it's the very similar team with the exact same quarterback with the exact same coaches' strategy, BUT with a much harder schedule. The Steelers are having to play a tougher schedule and are wilting under it. There's no coincidence. Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers didn't just get bad; they were simply never that good.

And there's nothing wrong with that. They earned their Super Bowl win. Good for them. But somebody can't just say that they're not one of the flukiest teams ever. Hey, if you believe in the notion of clutch performances, this should make you happy. It means that the Steelers are very 'clutch', whatever that means.

Anonymous said...

The amazing thing about the 1990 Colorado football championship is that even WITH all of the writers and coaches KNOWING that they had a fake win, they still voted for them. Most thought that even at 10-2-1 they were better than G tech.

And Bill Mccartney, founder of the promise-keepers--really showed fine the moral fiber in calling a 5th down play.

Anonymous said...

GARTH SAYS: "I don't see that. Maybe because it's the very similar team with the exact same quarterback with the exact same coaches' strategy, BUT with a much harder schedule. The Steelers are having to play a tougher schedule and are wilting under it. There's no coincidence. Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers didn't just get bad; they were simply never that good."

Again, 31-7 in '04 and '05 with "a very similar team and the exact same quarterback with the exact same coaches' strategy." And yes, all those 31 wins came against lousy teams, right? They didn't beat the Eagles and Pats in '04, did they? How about going on the road and beating the top 3 seeds in the PLAYOFFS in '05? I don't care if you're playing the '76 Buccaneers every week, winning 31 of 38 games in the NFL while making an AFC title game and winning a Super Bowl is a great feat. And if Ben doesn't go down a couple times last year, they're 33-5 rather than 31-7.

You choosing to take this 7-game Super Bowl hangover and try to claim that they're not good is just silly. (I won't even mention that they're just several fumbles and interceptions away from being 5-2. Should've beaten CIN, ATL and OAK. I know they didn't, but it's not like they're getting blown out.)

Garth said...

"You choosing to take this 7-game Super Bowl hangover and try to claim that they're not good is just silly. (I won't even mention that they're just several fumbles and interceptions away from being 5-2. Should've beaten CIN, ATL and OAK. I know they didn't, but it's not like they're getting blown out.)"

If you believe that the Steelers truly have upper-tier talent, then you probably believe in intangibles (clutchness, leadership's effects on the field, etc.) being important on the game field. Most people think that way about championship teams, no matter how good or bad they are. But the thing is, if you're going to play the card of "all NFL teams are good, so winning against any of them is remarkable" that would mean that you think the 1972 undefeated Miami Dolphins were better than the mid-1980s Chicago Bears, because, hey, they won more games against NFL teams. But I think we'd all agree that's not a claim many people would make.

Also, the fact that the Steelers haven't been winning these last few games -- no matter the excuses -- would reflect upon the other side of things: if all NFL teams are good, and you lose to them, that makes you a bad team. (And, as a sidenote, about those pesky fumbles and interceptions costing you some wins -- hey, that happens. Turnovers are a very important part of the game. If that hadn't happened to the Chiefs last year, the Steelers wouldn't have even been IN the playoffs.)

It isn't that I think the Steelers are a BAD team, but I do think they're overrated, and truly are one of the worst to win the Super Bowl. Heck, they might have deserved a SB before (like in '04). They're actually very similar to the Cardinals of '06 -- they blew earlier chances, but sort of lucked into some redemption. And that isn't really a bad thing, but I don't think people can claim that the Steelers are really an elite-level team in history, or even an elite-level team in the 2006 NFL.

Anonymous said...

Well, Garth, we can agree to disagree, then. You can hang your hat on the Chiefs having "more talent than the Steelers." Enjoy that.

Garth said...

"Well, Garth, we can agree to disagree, then. You can hang your hat on the Chiefs having "more talent than the Steelers." Enjoy that."

I'm afraid that died with Dick Vermiel's retirement. We're like the Rams under Martz now. It's just sad. Instead, all we have to turn to are a new and also overrated head coach and a very talented running back who doesn't turn talent into wins. I think the Steelers have the last hurrah there. (See: blowout victory)

Anonymous said...

Cardinals Fan said.....

Who has the most championships in the National League?

Who are the 2006 World Series Champions?

Please answer that for me.

Thanks,

~Stupid Cardinal Fan that knows the answer to the above questions. Do you?

Anonymous said...

To quote the great Jim Bouton, "Tell your statistics to shut up."

The Cardinals suck. They're easily the worst champion of the past 100 years, and it's an embarrasment to baseball that this is the team that goes in the history books as the 2006 champions. They didn't deserve to be in the playoffs, and every series they won, they only won because the other team completely self-destructed.

The earlier Cardinal teams are great, but if I were Bob Gibson, I'd kick the shit out of every member of this current team for even daring to list themselves with some of the great Cardinal teams of the past. And knowing Gibson, he probably could still kick all their asses.

Even the '04 team could have destroyed this pathetic excuse for a team. I can't wait until they finish 68-94 next season.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully all the teams self-destruct again in 2007 so we can repeat. It is wonderful celebrating this World Series victory.

....oh, and look how dumb you are for bringing up 2004. There is a perfect example of the Cardinals being the ones that self-destructed.

Just to note, the 2004 Cardinals had the best record in 2004, but they didn't win. Just like the other 8 teams in the past ten years that haven't won entering the playoffs with the best record.

Again, a bunch of idiots trying to be right when they have to use other people quotes. Why don't you come up with your own shit, you dumbass!

Michael said...

Ok, I've got to defend Villanova...
That year the Big East confrence was stacked. You had 6 teams going to the NCAA, 4 of them going to the sweet 16 and 3 of them in the Final Four.

5 of Villanova's losses were against the #1 or #2 ranked team in the nation at the time.

If you want an over-rated National Championship team, pick any of Dean Smiths Tar Heels.

Anonymous said...

To quote the great Jim Bouton, "Tell your statistics to shut up."

Go tell Jim Bouton, "the statistics show the truth and champions"

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